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Gavin HAMILTON, of Airdrie m 1567 Isobel ROBERTON

2010-03-12T16:07:57Z

Gavin HAMILTON, of Airdrie m 1567 Isobel ROBERTON

All the usual suspects give Isobel ROBERTON as dau of James, of Earnock by
his wife Christian DUNDAS.

This Christian DUNDAS was widow of Robert DALZELL, of that Ilk.

According to SP II, p. 404 Robt DALZELL had married [2] by contract 1551 and
died between 1559 & 1563.

Small´s of Kinnochtry, pre 1560-1600

2010-03-12T14:19:26Z

Small´s of Kinnochtry: pre 1560-1600:
I am working with the family by the name Small owning? some parts of
the Kinnochtry lands, in Kettins Parish, Forfar.
I am trying to make a link to my ancestor Christian Small, m. to
Andrew Mortimer, Burgess and Mariner of Dundee, both died before
1607.
It seems obvious that it was this family, which Christian belonged to,

some medieval roots from Greeks

2010-03-11T16:59:21Z

because of the findings published in Vannier, the lineage I needs to be
amended as follows:
I
empress Eudokia Makrembolitissa (she was niece of patriarch Mikhael
Keroularios); married Konstantinos XI Doukas, Emperor; whose mother is
indicated by Psellos to have been a descendant of Phokas and Skleros

Re: Did Indians brought by Columbus leave DNA?

2010-03-11T16:34:47Z

Again, it depends on the context. If a possibly dubious claim lacks
documentation at a period when a seemingly valid claim also lacks
documentation, because there is a sparse record of everything, then it
is not seen as evidence of anything. You simply have to base your
conclusion on more fuzzy criteria such as onomastics, social

Re: Did Indians brought by Columbus leave DNA?

2010-03-11T15:59:29Z

You should find out if Thomas Rolfe made such a claim if you can not
find any reference in England.
Find out when the claim was first made.
But to say "Chances are this is not true." regarding Pocahontas makes
you sound like one of those who think if you have not seen the
documentation that the fact does not exist. Whether the fact is true

some medieval roots from Greeks

2010-03-11T15:35:53Z

ah. Vannier makes the early Palaiologos somewhat clearer, and also gives
what is on solid ground and what is not so.
Europäische Stammtafeln obviously did not have Vannier nor much of that
precise knowledge, and thusly the ES account is outdated.
[link]

some medieval roots from Greeks

2010-03-11T12:28:30Z

early Palaiologos: publication of Vannier
[link]

some medieval roots from Greeks

2010-03-11T11:49:48Z

the early Palaiologos line:
are there graver doubts about the filiations in the descent between Zoe
Doukaina porphyrogenneta and despotes Palaiologos emperors ??
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Zoe Doukaina porphyrogenneta (daughter of emperor Konstantinos X); married
Adrianos Komnenos
Alexios Komnenos
daughter; married Alexios Doukas Palaiologos

some medieval roots from Greeks

2010-03-10T23:12:00Z

Helene of Pharsalos,
was, according to Massarello manuscript, married to Theodoros Kantakouzenos.
Since Helene's father was of that Nemanja branch (Thessalian branch) which
used the name *Palaiologos* in its greek-like string of names, Helene could
well be mentioned in some literature as 'Palaiologina'

a medieval Serbian root of the today seniormost branch of the Karadjordjevic family

2010-03-10T15:43:23Z

despoina Milica Nemanjic, renownedly of the dynasty of Nemanja of Serbs,
regent of Rashka; married 'stjepan' Lazar Hrebeljanovic, magnate of Serbia,
'king' (slain in 1389 in the battle of Kosovo Polje)
Mara Lazarevic of Rudnik; married prince Vuk Brankovic, of Pristina
the Serbian despotes Djuradj Vukovic Brankovic, ruler of Rashka, 'king

Re: ancestors ESCRIVA of Pope Alexander VI, Rodrigo BORGIA

2010-03-10T15:24:11Z

Thank you Henry for your very useful information.
Further research needs to be done on the DA PROCIDA family but now, thanks to you, I have starting points...
I find this line interesting to explore because it could create a surprising and ironic outcome: finding a connection (even a distant one) between:

some medieval roots from Greeks

2010-03-10T13:42:39Z

the background of Tatiana Blatnik has arisen some interest
[link]
and questions remain unanswered, I gather.
However, genealogists can say a lot about her roots, based on the fact that
her maternal grandmother Elinka is daughter of count Adolkar Einsiedel and

Re: some medieval roots from Greeks

2010-03-10T13:29:09Z

The selection, of course, was chosen for to present some Greek roots of
Tatiana Blatnik,
who is going to be married with prince Nikolaos of Greece
and quite possibly, they will have children, to continue these 'Dakianes'
lineages from the Doukas, Makrembolites, Kamateros, Laskaris, Angelos......
knowing that Leo's database has about 500 000 entries (= separate

some medieval roots from Greeks

2010-03-10T11:29:52Z

about this specific family and their filiations, the Jakusic barons of
Urbova:
count Juraj Turzo, palatine of Hungary
countess Judit Turzo; married baron Andrej Jakusic, lord of Urbova
baroness Alzbeta Jakusic; married baron Ladislav Barkozi
baron Juraj Barkozi; married baroness Judith Kohary
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Re: ancestors ESCRIVA of Pope Alexander VI, Rodrigo BORGIA

2010-03-09T23:40:51Z

On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 06:34:24 -0800 (PST), antoine barbry
Hello Antoine,
Thank you for your posts, they are most
interesting. Comments are interspersed.
The Estonian version of Wikipedia gives Francinas surname as Marti
If we take a descent from Giovanni III da Procida (1210-Dec 1283 or