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V.Gopal  
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 More options Oct 3 2002, 9:42 am
Newsgroups: sci.logic, sci.physics, sci.math
From: vgopa...@rediffmail.com (V.Gopal)
Date: 2 Oct 2002 21:12:36 -0700
Local: Thurs, Oct 3 2002 9:42 am
Subject: What ?- after quantifier elimination.
If there remains 'something' after quantifier elimination, what is it?
There
is no doubt that we eliminate 'quantifier' from geometry out of
necessacity
and each curve seems to retain its identity without its quantifier.
Circle,
ellipse, parabola are ideas about shapes and ideas do not need any
dimension. Is ther any other area of 'knowledge' from which
quantifiers can be eliminated? I believe that what remains after
quantifier elimination is a 'space-time continuum' or a continuum of
experience like acceleration OR nothing sensible.

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Old Man  
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 More options Oct 3 2002, 11:35 am
Newsgroups: sci.logic, sci.physics, sci.math
From: "Old Man" <nom...@nomail.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 01:10:13 -0500
Local: Thurs, Oct 3 2002 11:40 am
Subject: Re: What ?- after quantifier elimination.
V.Gopal <vgopa...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message

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> If there remains 'something' after quantifier elimination, what is it?
> There
> is no doubt that we eliminate 'quantifier' from geometry out of
> necessacity
> and each curve seems to retain its identity without its quantifier.
> Circle,
> ellipse, parabola are ideas about shapes and ideas do not need any
> dimension. Is ther any other area of 'knowledge' from which
> quantifiers can be eliminated? I believe that what remains after
> quantifier elimination is a 'space-time continuum' or a continuum of
> experience like acceleration OR nothing sensible.

Usually cross-posters are trolls looking to be fed by the
uninitiated, but, at the possible expense of feeding a troll,
Old Man will take a small bite.   Would  V.Gopal please
clarify the meaning of "quantifier", and how one "eliminates
such?

A necessary condition for the existence of space and time
is a space-time metric which is a quantitative expression
that relates space and time via elementary physical
constants.  The only parameter required in Einstein's theory
of special relativity, which completely describes flat space
-time or "empty space", is the invariant speed of light. A
sufficient condition might require the presence of a field,
wherein space-time curvature is finite, and whereby, an
additional parameter, the universal gravitational constant,
is required for the existence of space and time.

None of the ramblings above constitute a physical theory
since it contains no predictions that are falsifiable by
experiment.  It is just metaphysics, wherein nothing ever
sticks and endless argument ensues.  Old Man thinks that
neither V.Gopal nor anyone else can do any better.
[Old Man]


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Franz Heymann  
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 More options Oct 3 2002, 1:31 pm
Newsgroups: sci.logic, sci.physics, sci.math
From: "Franz Heymann" <Franz.Heym...@btopenworld.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:00:04 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Oct 3 2002 1:30 pm
Subject: Re: What ?- after quantifier elimination.

"V.Gopal" <vgopa...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message

news:38af3945.0210022012.62294d91@posting.google.com...

> If there remains 'something' after quantifier elimination, what is it?
> There
> is no doubt that we eliminate 'quantifier' from geometry out of
> necessacity
> and each curve seems to retain its identity without its quantifier.
> Circle,
> ellipse, parabola are ideas about shapes and ideas do not need any
> dimension. Is ther any other area of 'knowledge' from which
> quantifiers can be eliminated? I believe that what remains after
> quantifier elimination is a 'space-time continuum' or a continuum of
> experience like acceleration OR nothing sensible.

I cannot understand what V. Gopal said up here.
It would be interesting to know if V. Gopal does.

Franz Heymann


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