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Randy Poe  
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 More options Oct 17 2002, 12:51 am
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From: Randy Poe <r...@nospam.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:01:47 -0400
Local: Thurs, Oct 17 2002 12:31 am
Subject: Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables

James Harris wrote:
> If it looked like you were a dangerous threat then you might be
> checked more closely.

He was threatening *YOU*. It's not a terrorist threat, it's
not a threat against Americans or American interests, it
is a threat against you for your actions or perceived
actions. I don't condone it, but it certainly doesn't
provide grounds for any federal agency to get involved.

> Oh yeah, so how do you tag someone for the NSA?  You use the word
> "NSA", and the reason is simple.

> Because the NSA uses mathematicians so heavily, they keep track of
> mathematicians worldwide, and monitor their communications closely,
> which includes postings on the sci.math newsgroup.

Here's another one of your faulty leaps in logic. Your
conclusion ("NSA keeps tags on mathematicians and monitors
their communications") does not follow from your premise
("NSA hires lots of mathematicians").

You *are* getting this from some thriller, aren't you? The
kind where all federal agencies have unlimited budgets,
unlimited manpower, and Buck Rogers spy technology?

            - Randy


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David C. Ullrich  
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 More options Oct 17 2002, 2:12 am
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From: David C. Ullrich <ullr...@math.okstate.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:42:57 GMT
Local: Thurs, Oct 17 2002 2:12 am
Subject: Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables
On 16 Oct 2002 11:01:54 -0700, jst...@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:

>[...] If I did know then I wouldn't be
>talking about it, now would I?

Heh-heh.

(It's really not fair to take this out of
context this way... sorry, couldn't resist.)

David C. Ullrich


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mensanator  
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 More options Oct 17 2002, 6:23 am
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From: mensana...@aol.com (mensanator)
Date: 16 Oct 2002 17:53:40 -0700
Local: Thurs, Oct 17 2002 6:23 am
Subject: Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables

jst...@msn.com (James Harris) wrote in message <news:3c65f87.0210160433.7ed8e538@posting.google.com>...
> "Denis Feldmann" <denis.feldm...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message <news:aoitnn$5m8$1@news-reader10.wanadoo.fr>...
> > James Harris wrote:

<snip>

> Oh yeah, so how do you tag someone for the NSA?  You use the word
> "NSA", and the reason is simple.

Hey James, if I tag this message with "bin packing", will you and I
end up on a list of suspicious terrorist traffic?

<snip>


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John R Ramsden  
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 More options Oct 17 2002, 7:05 am
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From: John R Ramsden <j...@adslate.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:35:16 +0100
Local: Thurs, Oct 17 2002 7:05 am
Subject: Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables

Paul Sperry <plspe...@sc.rr.com> wrote:

> However, so far, about 25 sci.math readers/contibuters have essentially
> admitted that they lack either the will-power to ignore Harris or the
> ability to killfile him. It is not up to Harris to remedy that lack.

Unfortunately the number of people replying just adds fuel to the fire,
because ultimately James is interested in only one thing - attention.
You can be sure he's absolutely _revelling_ in all this feedback,
positive or negative, however much he may pretend to complain!

> [...]

> Moreover, the Harris posts have _not_ been worthless. I believe
> Magidin got a publication and many of us learned some number theory
> in the ensuing discussions.

True, but then consider the number of potential experts who _would_
be posting, and indeed were until recent years, but who have tuned
in and been put off by all the Harris threads. For example, where's
Bob Silverman these days, and several others who I recall posting
regularly even a couple of years ago?

Cheers

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Paul Sperry  
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 More options Oct 17 2002, 10:06 am
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From: Paul Sperry <plspe...@sc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:36:24 GMT
Local: Thurs, Oct 17 2002 10:06 am
Subject: Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables
In article <g94squg4iu7onn5juq7fgbqiaks3qmh...@4ax.com>,
 John R Ramsden <j...@adslate.com> wrote:

> Paul Sperry <plspe...@sc.rr.com> wrote:

> > However, so far, about 25 sci.math readers/contibuters have essentially
> > admitted that they lack either the will-power to ignore Harris or the
> > ability to killfile him. It is not up to Harris to remedy that lack.

> Unfortunately the number of people replying just adds fuel to the fire,
> because ultimately James is interested in only one thing - attention.
> You can be sure he's absolutely _revelling_ in all this feedback,
> positive or negative, however much he may pretend to complain!

True enough (precious little positive feedback though). And yet, here
_we_ are, adding two more to this thread.

> > [...]

> > Moreover, the Harris posts have _not_ been worthless. I believe
> > Magidin got a publication and many of us learned some number theory
> > in the ensuing discussions.

> True, but then consider the number of potential experts who _would_
> be posting, and indeed were until recent years, but who have tuned
> in and been put off by all the Harris threads. For example, where's
> Bob Silverman these days, and several others who I recall posting
> regularly even a couple of years ago?

You may be correct but it is hard to imagine that they would not simply
killfile him. My guess is that they just got tired or busy - maybe tired
of not having well thought out posts go unacknowledged by the original
poster - a pet-peeve of mine.

> Cheers

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> John R Ramsden (j...@adslate.com)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Eternity is a long time, especially towards the end."
>   Woody Allen
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Paul Sperry
Columbia, SC (USA)

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David Wildstrom  
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 More options Oct 17 2002, 10:14 am
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From: dwild...@euclid.ucsd.edu (David Wildstrom)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:44:46 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Oct 17 2002 10:14 am
Subject: Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables
In article <3c65f87.0210160433.7ed8e...@posting.google.com>,

James Harris <jst...@msn.com> wrote:
>Oh yeah, so how do you tag someone for the NSA?  You use the word
>"NSA", and the reason is simple.

Wow. When did they appoint James Perry to the NSA directorship?

Ia! Ia! Kibo Fhtagn!

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Discussion subject changed to "What is a variable? Was Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables" by V.Gopal
V.Gopal  
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 More options Oct 22 2002, 1:06 am
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From: vgopa...@rediffmail.com (V.Gopal)
Date: 21 Oct 2002 12:36:52 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 22 2002 1:06 am
Subject: Re: What is a variable? Was Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables

If X is a variable then there is only one variable that is naturally
dependent on X, namely, the reciprocal of X or 1/X. No other variable
is naturally dependent on X. How other variables have to depend on X
is dictated by mathematicians and not by the nature of any particuler
reality. If X is a noun of a pronoun or the subject then 1/X is the
predicate (state) of X. The other naturally dependent variable are P
(pressure),V (volume) and T (temperature).

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Discussion subject changed to "Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables" by John
John  
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 More options Nov 3 2002, 3:01 pm
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From: john_cor...@excite.ca (John)
Date: 3 Nov 2002 01:31:38 -0800
Local: Sun, Nov 3 2002 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables

Jim Burns <burns...@osu.edu> wrote in message <news:3DA85AB7.ECF43028@osu.edu>...
> James Harris wrote:

> Yes, watching you make a fool of yourself yet again is a guilty
> pleasure, but there are plenty of other guilty pleasures.
> Go away.

> Jim Burns

Among the 'guilty pleasures' to which you are apparently not averse
was that indulged in by David Ullrich, endorsed by David Kastrup--and
parodied by Jim Ferry, thus:

<news:3c65f87.0202121042.67f2fea4@posting.google.com>

Interestingly enough, when this was posted to sci.math NOBODY
applauded it--an indication of the mentality that Ullrich and
Kastrup and (evidently) yourself share with many others here.

So it's not at all surprising that you have written (in
<news:3DC490DB.EE7D5439@osu.edu>

> I here publicly repent of ever being polite to John Correy.
> Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

> I was planning to append an appropriate insult to his name, but
> I find myself unwilling to go as low as I would need to
> to properly convey his character. Anything less would mislead
> by understating the case.

Your and Kastrup's reactions to my
<news:70f94e16.0211021213.24845cea@posting.google.com> indicate
I'm doing something right.

--John

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David Kastrup  
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 More options Nov 3 2002, 4:04 pm
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From: David Kastrup <David.Kast...@t-online.de>
Date: 03 Nov 2002 11:07:04 +0100
Local: Sun, Nov 3 2002 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: Short FLT Proof: m and n are your variables

john_cor...@excite.ca (John) writes:
> Among the 'guilty pleasures' to which you are apparently not averse
> was that indulged in by David Ullrich, endorsed by David Kastrup

Nonsense.  A single post where Ullrich admitted to having been
provoked once such that he had been thinking about an uncouth reply
is not a "guilty pleasure".  Nor has it been "endorsed" by me.  You
are an idiot.

>--and
> parodied by Jim Ferry, thus:

> > I was thinking about making a comic strip about David Ullrich,
> > involving the panels ...

> >  1)  David Ullrich taps a Secret Service agent on the
> >      shoulder and says, "I was thinking about threatening
> >      to kill the President, but I'm not going to make any
> >      such threat."

Simply does not fit the facts.  You should make this something like

    David Ullrich, when talking over tax rises in a bar, is heard to
    casually remark "I remember when the President told he would be
    cutting the salaries of all mathematicians in half, since they,
    and in particular David Ullrich, were lying scumbags.  Boy, I was
    so mad I could have hit him.  Somebody talked me out of it before
    my next audience."

Of course, this does not make a good comic strip.

> >  2)  David Ullrich is enjoying a night out and says to
> >      his date, "I was thinking of unflattering remarks
> >      regarding the size of several parts of your body.
> >      But I'm not going to utter them."

More like:

    David Ullrich has been enjoying a night out, and when his date
    boasts later in public "I certainly kicked David quite squarely
    in the groing when I had a few drinks too much" he says "You bet.
    I was really urging to hit back, but someone talked me out of it."

And than that date tries to get Ullrich slammed as a woman beater.

Things like that.  Don't make so hot a comic strip.

> Interestingly enough, when this was posted to sci.math NOBODY
> applauded it--an indication of the mentality that Ullrich and
> Kastrup and (evidently) yourself share with many others here.

Oh, it is just that what Ullrich had said is a so disproportionally
frigidly timid echo when constrasted to what JSH is spouting all the
time (and has been in particular to directly provoke this reaction),
that his attempt of exploiting it are nothing short of ridiculous.

> Your and Kastrup's reactions to my
> <news:70f94e16.0211021213.24845cea@posting.google.com> indicate
> I'm doing something right.

I don't see how.  You are putting yourself to the cause of an
abominable hypocrite, and get ridiculed accordingly.  If you are
yearning for attention, you could post your own follies instead of
trying to get some by tailing JSH.

And if you were doing something "right", then the Oklahoma State
Attorney would certainly be of your opinion, wouldn't he?

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David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
Email: David.Kast...@t-online.de


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