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V.Gopal  
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 More options Sep 30 2002, 6:42 am
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From: vgopa...@rediffmail.com (V.Gopal)
Date: 29 Sep 2002 18:12:59 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 30 2002 6:42 am
Subject: Statistically predictable system.
Particle physics is statistical physics. Even 'periodic table' is
based on statistics. All predictions in which the prediction was
without error (zero error predictions) are numerical. Using the idea
of numbers can we conceive a system that is predictable with absolute
certainty and zero-error? I believe that 'structure' of a predictable
system would represent 'Theory of Everything. Can we at least imagine
the qualities of a Statistical Predictable System?

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Doug Magnoli  
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 More options Sep 30 2002, 8:26 am
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From: Doug Magnoli <dmagnol...@attbi.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:56:32 GMT
Local: Mon, Sep 30 2002 8:26 am
Subject: Re: Statistically predictable system.

"V.Gopal" wrote:
> Particle physics is statistical physics. Even 'periodic table' is
> based on statistics. All predictions in which the prediction was
> without error (zero error predictions) are numerical. Using the idea
> of numbers can we conceive a system that is predictable with absolute
> certainty and zero-error?

I thought that's what math was.

-Doug Magnoli
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john bailey  
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 More options Sep 30 2002, 9:24 pm
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From: john_bai...@rochester.rr.com (john bailey)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:54:50 GMT
Local: Mon, Sep 30 2002 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: Statistically predictable system.
On 29 Sep 2002 18:12:59 -0700, vgopa...@rediffmail.com (V.Gopal)
wrote:

>Particle physics is statistical physics. Even 'periodic table' is
>based on statistics. All predictions in which the prediction was
>without error (zero error predictions) are numerical. Using the idea
>of numbers can we conceive a system that is predictable with absolute
>certainty and zero-error? I believe that 'structure' of a predictable
>system would represent 'Theory of Everything. Can we at least imagine
>the qualities of a Statistical Predictable System?

We can indeed.  A significant population of the physics community have
come around to the point of view that wave functions are complete
descriptions of the universe with no indeterminancy. The problem is
explaining *collapse* which occurs when elements not included in the
representation interact with the represented part.  Decoherence vs
entanglement. Everett's many-worlds theory or its successor, Deutsch's
Multiverse concept is grudgingly admitted, even by its critics as the
only game in town that explains why unpredictable outcomes are
observed. The only other answer is the positivist's approach *don't
ask--if it works: shut-up and read your meter"

for more details, see:
http://xyz.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9409195

John Bailey
http://home.rochester.rr.com/jbxroads/mailto.html


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James Hunter  
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 More options Sep 30 2002, 10:40 pm
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From: "James Hunter" <jim.hun...@jhuapl.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:03:57 -0400
Local: Mon, Sep 30 2002 10:33 pm
Subject: Re: Statistically predictable system.

"john bailey" <john_bai...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message

news:3d987385.71000509@news-server.rochester.rr.com...

> On 29 Sep 2002 18:12:59 -0700, vgopa...@rediffmail.com (V.Gopal)
> wrote:
> have
> come around to the point of view that wave functions are complete
> descriptions of the universe with no indeterminancy. The problem is
> explaining *collapse* which occurs when elements not included in the
> representation interact with the represented part.  Decoherence vs
> entanglement. Everett's many-worlds theory or its successor, Deutsch's
> Multiverse concept is grudgingly admitted, even by its critics as the
> only game in town that explains why unpredictable outcomes are
> observed. The only other answer is the positivist's approach *don't
> ask--if it works: shut-up and read your meter"

    The positivists are usually more concerned with:

    Try the *work* first, then add some *money*,
    then we'll negiotate over the moron energy fields.


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V.Gopal  
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 More options Oct 22 2002, 1:21 am
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From: vgopa...@rediffmail.com (V.Gopal)
Date: 21 Oct 2002 12:51:43 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 22 2002 1:21 am
Subject: Re: Statistically predictable system.

A predictable system, whether it is a piece of matter or the universe,
it must look like the isothermal and isobar chart of weather bureau.
Prediction is not accurate even when we are within the system and we
are able to take all measurements. It is impossible to make any
prediction from out side if the system is microscopic (a chemical
compound) and is like isothermal and isobar chart.

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